日本经济已经崩溃了吗，现在与街头女孩共度时光比买个西瓜更便宜-pg电子麻将胡了

@texas nord
well damn. i'll take two.

哇，真不错。我想要两个。
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@henri smith
2 watermelons????!

两个西瓜？？？！

@jorge luis rodriguez perez
maybe he’s thinking of a different kind of melons…

也许他在想另一种瓜吧……

@henri smith
for the other melon, i don’t think you can buy just one.

至于另外一种瓜，我觉得你不可能只买一个。

@joseph jakobs
you will never know if your purchase was undergone a mastoectomy and became assymetric. one real, one fake. just like your post.

你永远不知道你的购买是否经过了切除手术而变得不对称。一个是真，一个是假。就像你的帖子一样。

@francisco suárez
considering japan is an island and pretty much everywhere in japan fruit is an absolute delicacy and really expensive this isn't surprising or out of the norm

考虑到日本是一个岛屿，几乎在日本的每个地方，水果都是绝对的美味而且非常昂贵，这并不令人惊讶或不正常。

@henri smith
some of the best fruits (surprisingly) and fairly cheap now comes from china. they have really improve the quality of their agriculture product. i am eating chinese pomegranate right now - it is really juicy and sweet. you bite into the seed and the seet juice burst out.

一些最好的水果（令人惊讶的是）现在来自中国，而且价格相对便宜。他们真的提高了农产品的质量。我现在正在吃中国的石榴——非常多汁和甜美。咬下去时，汁液会爆出。
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japanese fruits are good but can be really expensive. a single perfect strawberry can cost usd$5. it is good but not $5 good.

日本的水果很好，但价格可能非常昂贵。一颗完美的草莓可能要5美元。味道不错，但不值得5美元。

@ennor
yeah, of course chinese fruit is better, i’d expect a statement like that from you beijing fan boys …

是的，当然中国的水果更好，我就期待你这种北京粉丝会这么说……

@kadinkai
it is actually true depending which part of china. if you buy fruit from yunnan which has a very high altitude, the fruit tastes wonderful.

这实际上是正确的，取决于中国的哪个地方。
如果你从云南买水果，那里海拔很高，水果的味道非常好。
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you’ve never eaten a strawberry until you’ve eaten a yunnan grown strawberry. it’s intensely red and the flavour is really quite a lot better than say japanese strawberries. the temperature is cool in the mornings and evenings but hot in the afternoons.

你还没吃过草莓，直到你尝过云南种的草莓。它的颜色鲜红，味道比日本草莓好得多。
早晚温度凉爽，但下午则很热。
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the same with coffee grown in yunnan, the high altitudes allow coffee to grow slowly and the flavours are excellent. yunnan coffee has won so many global awards these days due to its unique flavours. there is a type of rice grown in the northern parts of china (i forget the name), the climate is cool and there is just one harvest per year. that rice is really something special, it’s short but still long grain,

云南的咖啡也是如此，高海拔让咖啡慢慢生长，味道非常出色。云南咖啡因其独特的风味赢得了许多全球奖项。
在中国北部有一种稻米（我忘了名字），气候凉爽，每年只有一次收成。那种米真的很特别，颗粒短但仍然是属于长米。

five year cured ham, also from yunnan is absolutely fabulous. if spanish jamon iberco is a 10, five year yunnan ham is at least 30, extremely complex flavours.

五年腌制的火腿，同样来自云南，绝对美味。如果西班牙的伊比利亚火腿是10分，五年云南火腿至少是30分，风味极其复杂。
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@henri smith
thanks - i will buy yunnan coffee when i am in china next.

谢谢——下次我在中国时会买云南咖啡。

@henri smith
why don’t you go and experience what life has to offer???!

你为什么不去体验一下生活的乐趣呢？？！

@george singh
and i am eating chinese propganda

我正在吃中国的宣传。

@henri smith
pretty tasty don’t you think?

你觉得挺好吃的，对吧？

@michael k.r
chinese made goods suck.

中国制造的商品很糟糕。
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@natalja shuvalova
these are luxury fruit that cost many times as much as the usual ones. they are usually used as presents. you can buy normal watermelons in the supermarket for a fraction of the price on the foto.

这些是奢侈的水果，价格是普通水果的好几倍。它们通常用作礼物。你可以在超市以很低的价格买到普通的西瓜。

@john paterson
everything they could want could be grown in japan. it has a great climate overall.

他们想要的一切都可以在日本种植。整体气候很好。

@henri smith
okinawa is in the tropics; hokkaido is far north. they also have really fertile volcanic soil.
problem is that the japanese have a hard time adapting.

冲绳位于热带；北海道在最北方。他们还有非常肥沃的火山土壤。
问题在于日本人很难适应。

@lucas alexander
summers are too hot and muggy.

夏天太热潮湿了。

@henri smith
in the north (sapporo, etc), the summer is really nice. yea, tokyo, etc is really humid.

在北部（如札幌等），夏天真的很不错。是的，东京等地确实非常潮湿。
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@francisco suárez
my boy, it's just not that simple if it were britain and other big islands would be 100% self sufficient (they are not)

小伙子，如果真是那样就简单了，英国和其他大岛屿就会100%自给自足（但并没有）。

@mark lloyd
80% of japan's landmass is mountainous. it's well known for it. if i remember correctly, their main agricultural area is the kanto, on the island of honshu.
difficult to be self sufficient without decent arable land. it's not all about climate.

日本80%的国土是山区，这一点众所周知。如果我没记错，他们的主要农业区域是本州的关东地区。
没有适宜的耕地，自给自足是困难的。并不全是气候的问题。

@brian b
“difficult to be self sufficient without decent arable land. it's not all about climate.”

“没有适宜的耕地，自给自足是困难的。并不全是气候的问题。”

hence japan’s imperial tendencies in the 20th century. to understand history, understand economic motivations. personalities matter only in the sense that economic motives allow them to gather support.

因此，日本在20世纪的帝国主义倾向。要理解历史，就要理解经济动机。个性只有在经济动机允许他们聚集支持的情况下才重要。

@mark lloyd
yep. couldn't agree more. especially when it came to oil. once japan had its oil cut off, it was leave china and abandon dreams of empire or go balls out for conquest in order to obtain fresh sources.
as we know they chose the latter, unfortunately for my grandad, stationed in singapore at the time…..

没错。我完全同意。尤其是当涉及到石油时。一旦日本被切断了石油供应，他们只能选择离开中国，放弃帝国梦想，或者全力以赴去征服以获取新的资源。
众所周知，他们选择了后者，这对我当时驻扎在新加坡的祖父来说很不幸……

@henri smith
big chunks of their countryside is really beautiful because they farm on terraced mountainside. the soil is rich and they have a lot of rainfall so it is green and lush. in a lot of their rivers and streams, they actually landscaped it.

他们的乡村大块区域非常美丽，因为他们在梯田上耕作。土壤肥沃，降雨量很大，所以这里绿意盎然。他们很多河流和小溪都经过景观美化。

@gareth wells
lack of arable land is the issue. too mountainous.

缺乏耕地是个问题。太多山区。

@hu shi xiong
watermelons are expensive there. actually grapes are so stupid expensive they sell you a few in a cup instead of a bunch…

那里西瓜很贵。实际上，葡萄贵得离谱，他们会把几颗葡萄装在杯子里而不是一串……

@ebenezer olarewaju
this is a case of the blind leading the blind or it is an anti japanese troll. those of us who have spent time in japan know better.

这是盲人引导盲人的情况，或者是反日的喷子。我们这些在日本待过的人更清楚。
@sean landy دانشجوی چینی 陆

talk by data pls.

请用数据来说话。

@toolmaker
about 30% of girls in high school are involved in the sex trade in some way shape or form in japan. they are saving money to pay for university.

大约30%的高中女孩以某种形式参与性交易，她们在存钱上大学。

@bread
u got a source?

你有来源吗？
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@mark muir
actually the melons might be grown in new zealand..like most of japan's asparagus..

实际上，这些瓜可能是在新西兰种的，就像日本的大多数芦笋一样。

@henri smith
they do import a lot of fruits. 20 to 30 years ago, they only bring in the best, now it is the cheap ones because the country had gotten poor.

他们确实进口很多水果。20到30年前，他们只进口最好的，现在因为国家变穷，进口的是便宜的水果。
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@wang
the explanation for the high price of japanese fruits on chinese forums is that japanese fruit farmers have a strong association organization. they have strong power, making the domestic fruit market in japan basically closed to foreign countries. in pursuit of high profits (for the fruit varieties most loved by japanese, they refuse to import. as for tropical fruits such as bananas, since japan does not produce them, there is no such high import threshold), they tend to grow exquisite and expensive fruits instead of growing a large number of varieties with slightly lower quality but higher yields.

在中国论坛上，关于日本水果高价的解释是日本水果农民有强大的协会组织。他们拥有强大的权力，使日本的国内水果市场基本上对外国关闭。为了追求高利润（对于日本人最喜欢的水果品种，他们拒绝进口。至于香蕉等热带水果，由于日本不生产，所以没有那么高的进口门槛），他们倾向于种植精致且昂贵的水果，而不是种植大量品质稍逊但产量更高的品种。

this is not even pure capitalism, because capitalism encourages competition, and the domestic farmers' associations in japan tend to protect the domestic market while refusing to produce a large number of fruits with slightly mediocre quality.

这甚至不是纯粹的资本主义，因为资本主义鼓励竞争，而日本的农民协会往往保护国内市场，拒绝生产大量品质稍差的水果。

as for whether the japanese can eat enough fruit every year, it is obvious that the japanese government does not care too much. the government cares more about whether the farmers' associations are satisfied. the above is the understanding of most chinese people about the high price of japanese fruits.

至于日本人每年能否吃到足够的水果，显然日本政府并不太关心。政府更关心的是农民协会是否满意。
以上是大多数中国人对日本水果高价的理解。

@flname change
false.

错误。
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@2chantroll
fruits were always expensive in japan everything else is about as expensive as in the us or even cheaper like rent

水果在日本一直很贵，其他东西的价格和美国差不多，甚至租金更便宜。

@henri smith
japan is no longer expensive. you can rent for well under $1,000 for a one bedroom in tokyo you can buy a sandwich for $2

日本不再昂贵。你在东京可以以不到1000美元的价格租到一居室。
你可以用2美元买到一个三明治。

@2chantroll
thats what i said rent is way cheaper than a country like the us products are pretty cheap in both except fruits which are pretty expensive in japan

我说的就是，租金比美国这样的国家便宜得多，除了水果，日本的其他商品在两国都相对便宜。

@flname change
japan has strong economy.

日本经济强劲。

@gareth wells
its currency duation that makes it seem cheap for foreigners. for locals wages have been stagnant for decades.

是货币贬值让外国人觉得便宜。对当地人来说，工资已经停滞了几十年。

@rich olsen
japan should beef up its military, air, water, land. a very good idea. do it fast.

日本应该增强其军事力量，包括空军、海军和陆军。这是个很好的主意。
赶快去做。

@gareth wells
with what? its out of money and out of people.

用什么呢？他们没有钱也没有人。

@rich olsen
cooperative defence: phillipines, vietnam, taiwan, indonesia, australia

合作防御：菲律宾、越南、台湾（地区）、印度尼西亚、澳大利亚。

@john paterson
socialism is running to its end in japan.

日本的社会主义正在走向尽头。

@henri smith
it is the inability to adapt to changer times that is killing japan - you can still buy brand new cassette players in japan ( you might be too young to know what that is)

无法适应变化的时代正在扼杀日本——你在日本仍然可以买到全新的卡带播放器（你可能太年轻了，不知道那是什么）。

@john paterson
i’ve heard they like older technologies.

我听说他们喜欢旧技术。

@alset alokin
they are still using floppy disks in the office. the plaza accord hit them hard.

他们在办公室仍在使用软盘。广场协议对他们的打击很大。

@henri smith
i was in a local jr station office (train) and their computer run on tape.

我在一个当地的高铁车站办公室（火车）看到他们的电脑还在用磁带。

@henri smith
you can still buy walkman, vinyl record players, etc. if you have a chance, you should visit. it is really interesting country to visit. the yen has collapsed and it is really cheap to travel there.

你仍然可以购买随身听、黑胶唱片播放器等。
如果有机会，你应该去那里看看。这个国家真的很有趣。日元贬值，去那里旅行非常便宜。
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@brian b
tbh, i would love to buy a walkman in 2024 that wasn’t a steaming pile of dog doo, like every one sold in the usa for the last 30 years or so.

说实话，我希望在2024年买到一台不是像过去30年在美国出售的那种狗屎般的随身听。

i doubt i’d use it much; just occasionally play one of my old tapes on it and reminisce about the old days of waterproof, impact-resistant walkmans that were built to a high standard,

我怀疑我会经常使用它；只是偶尔播放一盘旧磁带，怀念那些高标准制作的防水、防撞随身听的旧日时光。
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@henri smith
whenever i send my electronics to the recycling depot, it is amazing what is there - you maybe able to find a working one there for free if you are patient.

每次我把电子产品送到回收站，那里有很多惊人的东西——如果你耐心一点，可能能找到一个能用的，还是免费的。

@john koh
the last time i heard, they still used a lot fax in business communication. is it still true?

我最后一次听说，他们在商务沟通中仍然使用很多传真。还是真的？

@henri smith
yea! actually fax is still used in many places not only in japan. fax is still available for use in many places here in canada.

是的！实际上，传真在许多地方仍然使用，不仅在日本。在加拿大的很多地方，传真仍然可以使用。
@孙xin

…..what? loool

……什么？哈哈。

@davis kusuma
wait prostitute in japan really sold themselves like in the picture? so open?

等等，日本的妓女真的像照片中那样卖身吗？这么开放？

@henri smith
prostitutes in a lot of places in the world sell themselves like that. best looking street prostitutes are in berlin

世界上很多地方的妓女都是这样卖身的。
长得最好看的街头妓女在柏林。
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@davis kusuma
not dutch?

不是荷兰人？

@henri smith
the ones that sit by the window at the red light district in amsterdam are really big as in fat (not american obesity)

在阿姆斯特丹红灯区坐在窗边的那些妓女真的很big，我的意思是微胖的那种（不是美国的肥胖）。
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@natalja shuvalova
nah. looks like these girls are queuing for something. they may be just selling extra tickets or something. or they could be advertising a deal in a maid café.
2500¥ is just two hours worth of minimum salary in japan. i seriously doubt that any prostitute would be that cheap.

不。这些女孩看起来是在排队等什么。她们可能只是在卖多余的票，或者是在宣传女仆咖啡厅的优惠。
2500日元在日本仅仅是两小时的最低工资。我真的怀疑有妓女会这么便宜。

@yang
where can you get “10 course seafood dinner with lobster, etc” for <$40 ?

哪里可以以不到40美元的价格吃到“10道菜的海鲜晚餐，包括龙虾”等？

@henri smith
all parts of japan are cheap. even kobe beef (all you can eat) can be less than usd$40. i travel extensively in japan and seafood is cheap all over especially along the coast. i never had a bad meal in japan.
i prefer hokkaido the best for their seafood - things like uni and crabs are cheaper there too

日本的各个地方都便宜。甚至神户牛肉（吃到饱）也可以不到40美元。我在日本旅行很多地方，海鲜到处都便宜，特别是沿海地区。我在日本从未吃过不好吃的东西。
我最喜欢北海道的海鲜——海胆和螃蟹等在那里也更便宜。

@lù shèng an
best deal - a5 wagyu fillets in hida takayama. i can't remember the price, but it was a very good deal.

最划算的交易——在飞弹高山的a5和菲力牛排。我不记得价格了，但非常划算。

@ryan kemp
must be outliers. usually a non-square watermelon that size is around 2,000, and a street girl over 10,000. never seen them sell themselves like that though. very indiscreet and un-japanese.

一定是个别现象。通常这种非方形西瓜的价格在2000日元左右，而街头女孩的价格超过10000日元。不过我从未见过她们那样卖身，太不文雅了，不像日本人。

@henri smith
there are lots of them now (pay in japan is low so many turn to prostitution). there are also transgender.
you see tons of them in shinjuku. there are also a lot of transgender but they have their own corners.

现在有很多这样的女孩（因为日本的工资低，很多人转向了卖淫）。还有变性人。
你在新宿可以看到很多这样的女孩。变性人也有很多，但他们有自己的区域。

@megh raj
great ramen uss10$
seafood meal includes lobsters usd100$

好吃的拉面，价格10美元以上
海鲜餐包含龙虾，价格100美元以上

i could not find so cheap your menu.
those kids banner are for different purpose. you understood them wrongly!

我找不到你们的菜单上有这么便宜的价格。
那些孩子的横幅是为了不同的目的。你理解错了！

@henri smith
you likely have use an old exchange rate. current rate is
usd$1 = 150 yen

你可能使用了旧的汇率。目前的汇率是
1美元 = 150日元

a few months ago, it was about 180 yen to the usd
by the way, what do you do in tokyo?

几个月前，美元兑日元的汇率大约是180日元。
顺便问一下，你在东京做什么？

@megh raj
>>a few months ago, it was about 180 yen to the usd
>> no such rate ever since 1994.

几个月前，美元兑日元的汇率大约是180日元。
自1994年以来就没有过这样的汇率。
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@joseph jakobs
are you keeping safe so frequently buying time with a street girls?

你这么频繁地和街头女孩交往，难道不怕不安全吗？

@henri smith
still fantasying about my sex life. why don’t you go out and experience life.

还在幻想我的性生活。为什么你不出去体验一下生活呢？

@nut craker
typical westerners moron who dont know anything anout japan
the girl above are not prostitue they are promotor for restaurant/izakaya it is common in japan

典型的西方人，愚蠢得对日本一无所知。
上面的女孩不是妓女，她们是餐厅/居酒屋的促销员，这在日本很常见。

here is how much a prostitute service in japan
40k yen for 2 hour service excluding penetration, and hotel fee
and they wonder why japanese are looking down on average westerners

在日本，妓女服务的收费如下：
4万日元，两小时服务，不包括性交和酒店费用。
他们还在想，为什么日本人看不起普通的西方人。

@mark lloyd
the japanese look down on everyone. they've always thought that their shit didn't stink. it was their arrogance that brought about the downfall of their imperial ambitions.

日本人看不起所有人。他们一直认为自己的事儿没有任何问题。正是他们的傲慢导致了帝国野心的失败。

it took not one but two atomic bombs to force them to surrender. anyone else would have given up the ghost after one, but they couldn't stomach the loss of face that this would cause.

迫使他们投降的不是一颗而是两颗原子弹。其他人可能在一颗之后就放弃了，但他们无法承受由此带来的面子损失。

to this very day they have never apologised for all the suffering they caused, unlike germany, which has a holocaust memorial in the middle of berlin. you wouldn't see anything like that in japan, just shrines to war criminals and murderers.

直到今天，他们从未为造成的所有痛苦道歉，不像德国，在柏林中心有大屠杀纪念馆。你在日本看不到这样的东西，只有对战争罪犯和杀人犯的神社。

it's no wonder people look down on the japanesese. their arrogance and lack of contrition for their many war crimes is, to say the least, obxtionable.

难怪人们看不起日本人。他们的傲慢和对许多战争罪行的不悔改，至少是令人反感的。

@nut craker
japanese are traditionally famous of their prostitutes business, the price is always low enough.
actually, 15% of their military budget before wwii was from their oversea “prostitutes factories”.
even when they invade china, they still force their girls doing business,making money form chinese and s.e.asian citizens.

日本传统上以其妓女生意而闻名，价格总是相对较低。
实际上，二战前，他们军费预算的15%来自海外的“妓女工厂”。
即使在侵略中国时，他们仍然强迫女孩做生意，从中国和东南亚公民那里赚钱。

@shihpin lin
the porn industry in japan is very competitive right now, so prices are falling

日本的色情行业现在竞争非常激烈，所以价格也在不断下降

i would say it is likely because western values gradually eroded japan's traditional values which are derived from confucianism.
also since japan was way ahead of china in many ways some 30 years ago when japanese av began to be produced, confucianism which came from china was not necessarily seen as an authoritative source the japanese must adhere to.

我想说这可能是因为西方价值观逐渐侵蚀了日本源于儒家思想的传统价值观。
另外，由于大约30年前日本开始生产av时，日本在很多方面都远远领先于中国，因此来自中国的儒家思想并不一定被视为日本必须遵守的权威来源。

countries like south korea and taiwan (let's not get into the debate over whether taiwan is a country) , where confucian values are stronger while they are basically free societies, practically have no porn actresses of their own, unlike in japan where hundreds of av actresses debut every year, plus many amateurs willing to appear "just once."

像韩国和台湾（地区）这样的地区（我们不要争论台湾（地区）是不是一个国家），儒家价值观更强大，但基本上是自由社会，几乎没有自己的色情女演员，不像日本有数百名av女演员每年都会首次亮相，加上许多业余爱好者愿意“只出现一次”。

the porn these two countries manage to make is private filmings with smartphones that get leaked to the internet and perhaps-illegal recordings of webcam models and not much beyond that. not an industry like that of japan.

这两个国家设法制作的色情内容是用智能手机进行的私人拍摄，这些视频被泄露到互联网上，或许还有网络摄像头模特的非法录制，仅此而已。不像日本那样的行业。

the porn productions of japan are actively recruiting and inviting applicants, and there seems to be screenings as to who is pretty enough to appear. the jav industry in japan has been around since the 80s, renting out vhs tapes in stores in the early days and seem to have gained certain legitimacy in japanese society today, which is all the more reason for massively available jav porn clips one can find by googling , both free and paid.

日本的色情制作公司正在积极招募和邀请申请者，并且似乎正在筛选谁足够漂亮才能出现。日本的 jav 行业自 80 年代以来就已存在，早期在商店出租 vhs 磁带，似乎在当今的日本社会中获得了一定的合法性，这也是人们可以通过以下方式找到大量可用的 jav 色情剪辑的原因：谷歌搜索，免费和付费。

one of japan's recently-emerged business empire, dmm has its root as on-line jav streaming/downloading service, which made enough profit for the company to massively expand. they recently made this original business a separate entity for better corporate image, however.

dmm 是日本最近兴起的商业帝国之一，其根源是在线 jav 流媒体/下载服务，该服务为公司大规模扩张带来了足够的利润。然而，为了更好的企业形象，他们最近将这个原来的业务变成了一个独立的实体。

also, with availability of overseas internet servers in recent years, uncensored japanese porn which supposedly was clear violation of japanese law, had gotten wide spread. however "mainstream" productions are still making censored ones.

此外，近年来，随着海外互联网服务器的出现，未经审查的日本色情内容被认为明显违反了日本法律，已经广泛传播。然而，“主流”作品仍在制作经过审查的作品。

@malik boyd
hell its easy money and if they are willingly choosing to do it why should it matter?

天哪，赚钱很容易吗，如果他们愿意选择这样做，那为什么重要呢？

you and most people in the world likely do a job that they do not like (example construction, desk work, sales, retail etc) but you do it for the money. so don’t act all high and mighty when we are all basically prostitutes. you sell your time, life, energy,dreams, etc to work at what is likely not your ideal job (if you even want to work, i’m sure many people rather be filthy rich and play all day)

您和世界上大多数人可能会从事他们不喜欢的工作（例如建筑、文书工作、销售、零售等），但您这样做是为了钱。所以，当我们基本上都是妓女时，不要表现得趾高气扬。你出卖你的时间、生命、精力、梦想等来从事可能不是你理想的工作（如果你想工作，我相信很多人宁愿变得穷也想整天玩耍）